Preparing for Patch 5.2 – Information Overload

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Mr. Robot has been scouring the internet and we have all sorts of 5.2 info. And this all factors into deciding what to upgrade to. The best way to make a decision: be informed. So stick with me as I review the changes that will affect your gear. For progress on our 5.2 updates, read this article.

TL;DR

  • Your Normal-Mode Sha-Touched weapon will last you a while – it will be equal to Throne of Thunder LFR weapons. If it’s upgraded it will be better than LFR Throne of Thunder weapons. However, normal mode Throne of Thunder weapons will be better. (Read Sha-touched weapons & the legendary quest line for the math and LFR/Normal/Heroic comparisons)
  • You can get a new legendary meta gem for your helm from the legendary quest (requires iLvl 502).
  • VP upgrading will go away in Patch 5.2. It might come back later. Mr. Robot is working on some features that will help you figure out if you should spend those points to upgrade or not. As always, it will depend on your gear.
  • The new raid drops have the following iLvls: LFR = 502, Normal = 522, Heroic = 535. You gain faction with the Shado-Pan Assault by raiding and can buy iLvl 522 items with VP.
  • Items that drop in the new raid, Throne of Thunder, have a chance to be “Thunderforged” when dropped. Thunderforged items are 6 iLvls higher than normal. Tier pieces cannot be Thunderforged.
  • Quartermasters will sell Blood Spirits for 400 VP.
  • You can use your farm to do “work orders” and level up your reputation

Let’s talk about Sha-Touched Weapons & the Legendary Quest

Here’s what you can get so far in the current content.

Now, here’s how some of the new 5.2 stuff affects your weapon choices:

  • Weapons drop from the new raid bosses. The items levels are 502 (LFR)522 (Normal) and 535 (Heroic). But bosses from Normal and Heroic can also drop a “Thunderforged” version which is 6 iLvls higher. However, it seems that the datamined info you’ll find on the databases don’t have all of the thunderforged weapons listed yet. But Blizzard confirmed that weapons do have Thunderforged versions.
  • You can use the Eye of the Black Prince enchant on the new weapons to get an extra gem slot.
  • You cannot put the legendary gems into the new weapons (Crystallized DreadCrystallized Horror, or Crystallized Terror). They can only go in Sha-Touched weapons.

Let’s dive into this legendary gem thing a bit more, to help us all decide if it’s worth it to spend VP to upgrade the weapon before 5.2 drops.

To asses this, I want to compare each level of a Sha-Touched weapon  to a level 502 (LFR) Throne of Thunder drop, a level 522 (Normal) Throne of Thunder drop, and a Heroic (535) Throne of Thunder drop. Below are the stat differences. As you can see in this example, the Normal Mode Sha-Touched weapon is about equal to the LFR Throne of Thunder. But the VP-Upgraded Normal Sha-Touched weapon is definitely better than the LFR Throne of Thunder. The VP-Upgraded Heroic Sha-Touched is about equal to the Normal mode Throne of Thunder.

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If you have a Sha-Touched weapon, it might be worth upgrading it before 5.2 drops. It depends on how lucky you think you’ll be with Normal mode drops.

You can continue the legendary quest line to get legendary meta gems. The gems require an iLvl of 502, which is the new Throne of Thunder LFR iLvl. If you have an iLevel 496 helm right now, upgrading it twice would make it 504, so in theory you could put the meta gem in there. However, I have not been able to confirm that you can put it in an upgraded item (or not).

Let’s talk Valor changes

Here are the changes coming for Valor Points in 5.2:

  • Current valor items will be discounted. 5.0 items (iLvl 489) will cost 50% less and 5.1 items (Shieldwall / Dominance) (iLvl 496) will be discounted by 25%. 
  • New valor rings and cloaks (iLvl 496) will be added that require faction through daily quests and/or PVP (you choose). Alliance can get items from the Kirin Tor Offensive and Horde can get items from the Sunreaver Onslaught. The cloaks (revered) and rings (exalted) appear to be the same for both sides and cost 937 Valor (according to the PTR right now). You can also get iLvl 476 waist items at Honored that cost 300 GOLD (not valor).
  • New valor items (iLvl 522) will be available from the Shadow-Pan Assault faction, which you gain by raiding (LFR, Normal and Heroic). You can buy items at each reputation level, starting at neutral. Neutral = neck (1250) /  Friendly = rings (1250), trinkets (1750), wrists (1250) / Honored = hands (1750), legs (2250), back (1250) / Revered = chest (2250), waist (1750) / Exalted = shoulders (1750).
  • Quartermaster vendors now also sell Blood Spirits for 400 Valor. This makes the iLvl 496 crafted gear easier to get.  You can craft pieces for the hands, which cost 5-6 Blood Spirits (2,000-2,400 Valor). You can also craft items for the chest, which costs 8 Blood Spirits (3,200 Valor).
  • Once 5.2 hits, you will no longer be able to upgrade your gear with VP (or any currency). Blizzard notes that the vendors might come back in a future patch.

New crafted items show up with 5.2

Blacksmithing, Leatherworking and Tailoring can now make BoE iLvl 522 boots and helmets. They require Haunting Spirits, likely the new version of Blood Spirits.

Also, as mentioned in the valor section, you can buy Blood Spirits for 400 valor from the quartermasters to make iLvl 496 crafted gear.

Let’s talk raid drops & bonus rolls

There’s a new mechanic added to Normal and Heroic Throne of Thunder raids: Thunderforged items. Bosses have a chance to drop Thunderforged versions of items, which are 6 iLvls higher. Your bonus rolls also have a chance to reward a Thunderforged item. For a preview of the new raid bosses, click here.

  • Throne of Thunder raid drop iLvls are as follows: LFR (502), Normal (522), Heroic (535). Thunderforged raid drops are Normal (528) and Heroic (541).
  • Here’s a list of Normal mode Thunderforged items (note, as of 2/22 this list has a lot of items. However, WoWDB notes they expect more to show up and they are scanning data daily to pick up any changes. I left the link so you can view it as soon as it’s updated). See why we love WoWDB :)
  • Here’s a list of Heroic mode Thunderforged items (note, same as above)
  • Set items do not have Thunderforged versions

Speaking of bonus rolls, there’s a slight change worth knowing about. You can still do dailies to get Lesser Charms of Good Fortune. However, in 5.2 you will turn them in to get Mogu Runes of Fate, which give you bonus rolls in Throne of Thunder raid and the new world bosses (Nalak and Oondasta). Elder Charms of Good Fortune are still available and can still be used in 5.0 content. You will acquire them as drops from mobs in the new outdoor Thundering Isle Zone, instead of from daily quests. This leads me to want to save up my lesser charms and turn them in for Mogu Runes of Fate once the patch drops. I am not 100% sure you can save them and turn them in right away. If someone can confirm or deny, I can update this post :) And just for fun, you should know that the caches you get from bosses that used to contain gold, now contain items. This includes valuable grays (to randomize gold), non-boss-LFR loot, pets, mounts and more.

A few miscellaneous things you might want to know

Farming in 5.2 raises other factions: if you don’t have a lot of reputation with the current factions, you might be able to get it a little faster once 5.2 hits. You’ll be able to get work orders for your farm and gain reputation with Dominance Offensive / Shieldwall, Golden Lotus, Shado-Pan, August Celsetials, and Klaxxi. When you factor in the discounts on Valor gear for those factions, it could make getting upgrades a bit easier… especially if you aren’t a raider.

Crafted gear: I mentioned it under the valor section, but wanted to make sure you didn’t miss it. Quartermasters will sell Blood Spirits for 400 Valor in 5.2. This makes the iLvl 496 crafted gear easier to get.  You can craft pieces for the hands, which cost 5-6 Blood Spirits (2,000-2,400 Valor). You can also craft items for the chest, which costs 8 Blood Spirits (3,200 Valor).

Ease of obtaining items by slot:

Of course, you can always get a lucky drop. But we’re going to assume you get no drops and list how easy it is to get items by each slot, from easiest to hardest (based on my human opinion):

  • Neck: neutral with Shado-Pan Assault, costs 1250 VP, iLvl 522
  • Wrist: friendly with Shado-Pan Assault, costs 1250 VP, iLvl 522
  • Trinkets: friendly with Shado-Pan Assault, costs 1750 VP, iLvl 522
  • Rings: friendly with Shado-Pan Assault (costs 1250 VP, iLvl 522), OR Exalted with Kirin Tor Offensive / Sunreaver Onslaught (costs 937 VP, iLvl 496)
  • Legs: honored with Shado-Pan Assault, costs 2250 VP, iLvl 522
  • Back: honored with Shado-Pan Assault (costs 1250 VP, iLvl 522) OR Revered with Kirin Tor Offensive / Sunreaver Onslaught (costs 937 VP, iLvl 496) (source)
  • Hands: honored with Shado-Pan Assault (costs 1750 VP, iLvl 522) OR Crafted with 5-6 Blood Spirits (400 VP per Blood for a total of 2,000-2,400 VP, iLvl 496)
  • Chest: revered with Shado-Pan Assault (costs 2250 VP, iLvl 522) OR Crafted with 8 Blood Spirits (costs 3,200 VP for Bloods, iLvl 496)
  • Waist: revered with Shado-Pan Assault (costs 1750 VP, iLvl 522), OR Honored with Kirin Tor Offensive / Sunreaver Onslaught (costs 300g, iLvl 476)
  • Shoulder: exalted with Shado-Pan Assault, costs 1750 VP, iLvl 522
  • Weapons: drops only (?)
  • Helm: crafted with Haunting Spirits (iLvl 522) OR you can buy a level 489 for ~1,200 VP with Shado-Pan Revered (current content, but wait for VP price drop)
  • Feet: crafted with Haunting Spirits (iLvl 522) OR you can buy a level 496 for ~1,300 VP with Dominance Offensive Revered (current content, but wait for VP price drop)

Wrapping it all up: How should I spend my Valor?

Mr. Robot is working on adding 5.2 items in so that you can compare your current gear to the upgrades. This will help you decide how to spend your VP. If you wait to spend your VP, just a little bit longer, you can enlist the help of your favorite robot, to make informed decisions.

In the meantime, you can still play with the upgrade finder to see how your current gear can be improved.

Updates

Things are changing almost daily and I’m updating this post. As I add stuff in, I’ll track it here so you know what’s changed.

  • 496 Back items added for the Kirin Tor Offensive / Sunreaver Onslaught for 937 VP (Revered) 2/21/13
  • More thunderforged items are showing up (2/22/13)
  • Added loot link for Nalak (world boss) 2/26/13
  • Added crafted gear section – you can craft iLvl 522 boots and helms with Haunted Spirits 2/26/13
  • Added link to Blizzards new raid boss preview 2/27/12
  • Help gather data with the curse client. If you already have it installed, click here to enable the data collection.

Leave a comment!

Tell us what you’re planning on doing. Leave us a tip or new info. Give us a link to a set of gear that people might want to see (like all drops from the first boss of Throne of Thunder). Confirm or deny some of the outstanding questions we have. Love to hear from you :)

  • Dionys

    Very much looking forward to having some Robotic advice re: my Valor choices for 5.2.

    Currently, I’m here:
    - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/korgath/Dionys/simple

    And if I don’t have a lucky break at Empress or the last two in ToES, then I am definitely wanting to know how best to spend my Valor, pre 5.2. As in, do I go for the helm + 1 upgrade, or the Shoulders +2.

    Thanks for a fantastic resource AMR!

    -Dio

  • http://koviko.net/ Kovik

    I’m hoping that if there are any tricks for increasing our rep gains after 5,2 that we know about them soon. Darkmoon Faire is going to be in town close to 5.2′s release, so at least we’ve got that.

    • http://www.facebook.com/kathleen.sifrig Kathleen Marie Sifrig

      There’s plenty of new features for rep. Doing a dungeon or scenario you can pick a reputation to champion; I believe it’s 750 rep for the first each day for a dungeon and 300something for the following dungeons. You can also do new dailys on your farm for a faction.

  • Saphyron

    Thank you for putting this in but there is a mistake with your calculations with the sha touched weapons.

    First off as melee dps weapon damage is gold so the sha touched weapons will fast become extinct.

    With Casters. Even though you loose int you also gain alot of spellpower. A upgrade heroic mace from empress should be slightly better than a normal 1-hander from 5.2 and maybe maybe not better than a normal thunderforged but no where near the heroic lvl.

    They will help us alot for progress but i would not keep a sha touched weapon unless its heroic 2/2 upgraded.

    Any case thank you for the update and i can’t wait for the 5.2 items to be fully implemented

    • zoopercat

      Yeah, I may have missed spell power ;) Updated the post. The upgraded Normal Mode Sha-Touched is still better than LFR. I’ll compare Heroic Sha-Touched as well, grabbing the numbers.

  • Doghealer

    Uuuuhhh…Mr. Robot? Have you lost your mind?

    The 496 weapon you’re comparing has 7000-ish Spellpower.
    The 535 weapon you’re comparing has 10000-ish Spellpower.
    For casters, Int basically IS Spellpower.

    3000 SP is DEFINITELY worth a couple hundred Int.

    • zoopercat

      Mr. Robot can’t lose his mind… unless someone wipes his harddrives I suppose. However, his human minion (me) may have overlooked something like Spell Power after being buried in data for over a week. Us humans and our imperfections…

      (I updated the post, ty)

  • Lament

    I would love to know if the current Darkmoon Trinkets (like Relic of Yu’lon) are still viable given the new trinkets in 5.2. As far as I can see, there is no new Int with Int-proc trinket, but I’m not sure if the numbers still hold up regardless. And the iLvl of 476 is quite a bit lower than 522. Upgraded it becomes slightly better, but at least making and selling new Darkmoon trinkets in 5.2 seems not worth it.

    • zoopercat

      Lament, we are currently putting the new trinkets into our super-special-trinket-simulator. We’ll try to get that data out before 5.2 so we can answer your question :)

  • Kep

    “The Legendary Gem gives the Sha-Touched weapon +500 Int, whereas the Throne of Thunder weapon can only use a +160 Int gem. This gives the Sha-Touched weapon +340 Int.” – Current Sha-Touched weapons can have both, the +500 Int Legendary Gem and the +160 Int extra socket. Thus making the comparision of the extra socket useless. You gain +500 Int on the Sha-Touched Weapons, not 500-160=340 since both of them can have that 160 Int Gem (or, if you want to put it that way: 500+160-160=500)

    • zoopercat

      The sha-touched weapons have a socket for the legendary gem, but the new weapons tend to have a normal gem socket. So you can put +500 in the sha-touched, but only 160 in a new weapon.

      Did I miss something? Let me know, my brain may still be overloaded with too much info ;)

      • http://www.facebook.com/sorgutentarer Bas Yuksel

        Sha Touched weapons get an extra prismatic socket after the 2nd step of the quest. So 2 sockets on them total. A Sha touched socket, and a prismatic socket.

        • zoopercat

          Correct. But new weapons can get the extra socket as well. The “Eye of the Black Prince” will be able to be applied to the Throne of Thunder weapons. So that is a wash.

          Now do we agree? Or am I still missing something (it happens! Us humans…)

          • legendarydragon

            Well… A Sha-touched weapon can half BOTH the +500 Int and the +160 Int, while the new weapon cannot have the +500 Int. So, the gemmed bonus of the Sha-touched compared with the new is +500 total. I believe that is the point Kep and Bas Yuksel were trying to make.
            But, I’m reading that you’re saying the weapons usually come with a gem socket already so you will have 2 sockets on the new weapons if you add the prismatic socket to it. Which would possibly mean 2 +160 gems making the total new weapon bonus +320 while the total Sha-touched weapon bonus would sit at +660 and thus render a +340 on the Sha-touched as you stated.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Alex-Tegnazian/100000820728665 Alex Tegnazian

            all u gotta do is become a jc and use the 2 special gems in the new wpn and walaa blows that sha touched outta the water anyway

          • zoopercat

            Not exactly. Those gems can be used on other gear, so whether you put it on your weapon or not doesn’t matter.

          • Lakh

            Your example currently has the Sha-Touched weapon only getting +500 from the Sha Touched gem, rather than +660 from the Sha-Touched gem plus the prismatic socket. Therefore the current tier weapons are underweighted because you have added the +160 to the 5.2 weapons.

          • Lakh

            Ah, nvm. You’ve just canceled out the prismatic sockets without explicitly pointing it out, missed the additional socket (which arguably should have its socket bonus added).

          • zoopercat

            Oh, socket bonus. Smart! Adding and recalculating now. Adding in the extra socket so ppl don’t get confused too ;)

  • mike Ekert

    The number crunch in this post won’t really matter in the end when the 5.2 items are added to the item list in the main character page.

    When you can pull up the new weapons and compare, the math will work itself out :P

  • Tomisu

    Ah, dangit… I knew I should have come back and see if the article changed. (Or, more radically, figure it out myself). I spent 1500vp this morning upgrading my offspec healing sha-touched weapon.

    • zoopercat

      It’s still a super-smart move. What is your character, I’ll take a look and do a little assessment for you :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/Cieper Cipriano Groenendal

    “But bosses from Normal and LFR can also drop a “Thunderforged” version which is 6 iLvls higher.”
    Shouldn’t that be Normal and heroic, since LFR doesn’t drop Thunderforged weapons?

    • zoopercat

      updated :)

  • zoopercat

    It looks like if you buy shoulders from Golden Lotus (Revered) after the patch hits (to get the discounted price), you’d get a 0.5% increase on your score.

    Upgrading one of your trinkets might not be a bad idea, since you can only buy 1 of the new ones (unique equipped). Upgrading Relic of Xuen will be better than your other trinket and get you almost another 0.5% increase.

    Here’s a screenshot of the first 10 items listed in Mr. Robot’s “Find Upgrades” feature for “What is the best way to spend my Valor Points.” http://blog.askmrrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/UpgradeExample_Dionys.png

    Note, we don’t have 5.2 items in there yet, so be sure to apply some logic about what you can get once 5.2 drops.

  • Fearghail

    Hi Zooper, I love your work on site & I’m a happy premium user after my trial.

    I’m looking at datamined PTR items. Comparing S12 Malevolent Gladiator’s with S13, it appears anyone with Conquest to spend before Season 12 ends on March 5 should upgrade their BiB items, rather than replacing any remaining Honor gear with the 483.

    The incoming ilvl nerf from 483 to 476 is a PvE gating issue to prevent rampant honor farming by those looking to access the new LFR without Valor or 5.2 Conquest gear.

    From a PvP standpoint, the nerf to primary & secondary stats on Malevolent gear is practically negated by the buff to Power and Resilience on the items.

    I hope that’s a helpful contribution for readers. I’d just like to ask if Mr Robot is confident about his default stats weights for weapon damage versus PvP Power, and to request a gearing strategy for Protection Warriors stat reforging while flag carrying in BGs.

    • zoopercat

      Hey, thanks for that info. We focus heavily on PvE, so I’d have to look into our PVP Power vs Weapon damage a bit more to tell you our confidence level. Part of the problem with PvP stat weights is that there isn’t much good info out there for us to compare our results to. With PvE, there are a TON of theorycrafters we’re able to run our PvE stat weights past.

      If you know of good sources for PvP weights, let me know. We’re happy to do more research on it :)

      PS. Mr. Robot says ‘what up bro’ and ‘thanks for being a premium subscriber.’

  • http://twitter.com/Doctor_Tex Tex

    So much discussion about a simple point. It seemed remarkably clear to me. Legendary Gems are +500 stat gems that can only go on Sha-Touched weapons. The Bonus Prismatic Socket can be added to Sha-Touched and the new weapons, so they’re a wash. The Legendary Gems are “Unique-Equipped” so there’s not even a discussion on whether or not you can load another one into the Bonus Socket.

    Since there are no links for the weapons yet, it remains to be seen (on Blizz or in the PTR) as to what weapons will have sockets. One thing is guaranteed – if you earn the Bonus Socket, then you’re weapon will have at least one socket. Whether or not it comes with a socket to begin with, remains to be seen.

    I thought the information was digested nicely from Blizz and returned to us here in an easy to follow, well-highlighted manner.

    Personally, I’m amazed and appreciative of the amount of thought that goes into this site, and how nice folks have been with answering questions. It’s a lot of data dump to process in a short time and if you make a few mistakes, there are always plenty of people looking to point them out, so the silver lining for that is called “Free Proof Reading!” LOL

    • zoopercat

      Tex, thanks for stopping by :)

      We’re getting closer with the weapon lists – wowdb emailed me last night saying that they found a bunch of flags in the game data, now they are just waiting for the actual item data to be put in the game.

      I’m glad you found the post helpful :) I have to gather all of this stuff anyway to update our site for 5.2. So I try to organize it and post it for other people to read up on. We’re in a unique position that requires us to know this – so why not spread the loooove :)

  • Natherul

    Seems like my last comment was not posted…. -.- well I wonder if its worth getting teh klaxxi legs now or wait for 5.2 if it comes this week? Thats the only faction that I got to a good level at this point….

    armory:

    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/moonglade/Natherul/advanced

  • Adoomlord

    Hey when can we expect the 5.2 stuff to be added to the Item Upgrade UI? Keen to compare and plan ahead :) Thanks for the awesome site <3

    • zoopercat

      Soon! We’ve been working on getting, checking, and categorizing the data all week :) The plan is to have it live a bit before 5.2

  • Wushka

    I’m still curious as to the rate at which we will acquire rep with the Shado-pan Assault.
    Will we hit Friendly if we kill all bosses first week or will it take at least two weeks to hit Friendly or how long.
    Does any1 know what kind of timetable we’re looking at? To me, this seems like very important information when we consider whether or not to cap VP prior to the patch shipping.

    • zoopercat

      I agree – I haven’t found information on that rate yet. If anyone knows, leave a comment!

  • Rastro

    Are they going to convert VP to JP as they have with past upgrades?

    • zoopercat

      Nope, they are letting you keep it all. However, PvP currencies might be converting… I haven’t read up on PvP as much.

  • Fearghail

    Is it possible to have the “No longer obtainable” tag removed from the new 476 Honor items, please? They are being excluded from purchase optimisations.

    • zoopercat

      Can you give me an example item so we can look into it?

      • zoopercat

        Nevermind, found some! Checking into this now :)